Rationality and Sensibility of Big Model Practitioners

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　　used excavatorRationality and Sensibility of Big Model Practitioners: The Age of Madness is Passingused excavator used excavator used excavator

　　This is the industry with the highest labor cost in the history of the Internet in China: the annual salary income of new students can be as high as one million yuan. The entry of master's degree is started, and most positions are even limited to doctors.used excavator used excavator

　　This is also the industry with the lowest labor cost in the history of China's Internet: the head companies began to hit the scale of 100000 cards, which means billions of dollars of computing investment.used excavator used excavator used excavator used excavator

　　This is the ultimate dilemma that the R&D personnel of domestic big model startups are facing. On the one hand, they are very important, but on the other hand, they are not so important.used excavator used excavator used excavator

　　In the past two years, the heat wave of big models has swept across the entire technology industry. Practitioners see it as the key to opening the door to the next 20 years of the technology industry, containing countless opportunities. They look forward to growing the next BAT here and truly turning technology into wealth.

　　Recently, "Sina Hummingbird" had a conversation with several employees who are currently or have previously worked at a domestic large model startup company, attempting to record the stories that are happening to these hesitant and aggressive individuals over the past nearly two years.

　　During the communication process, almost everyone repeated the phrase, "Big models may be the best opportunity that Chinese technology companies will encounter in the next decadeused excavator used excavator used excavator used excavator

　　But everyone's understanding of this opportunity is completely different:used excavator

　　I don't see any profit opportunities in the short term, and I'm considering changing tracks

　　It's better to return to the big companies for stabilityused excavator

　　Doing this will leave a lasting impression in history, and there is no harm in failing

　　Three different answers, perhaps the ultimate answer that Chinese big model startups can give up, be acquired, and become famous overnight.

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　　At the beginning of 2023, Jinyang, who has been in an Internet factory for nearly ten years, decided to look for new opportunities.

　　In the eyes of subordinates, Jinyang is a super technical "expert". Within just one year of joining the company through campus recruitment, he was promoted three levels in a row, breaking the company's original upgrade "unwritten rules"; Subsequently, he independently formed a small team and took charge independently, standing firm in several departmental business changes.used excavator used excavator used excavator used excavator

　　But at the end of 2022, Jin Yang felt a chill as his business unit continued to lay off employees.used excavator used excavator used excavator

　　More importantly, the company selected some technical personnel to specialize in large models, and Jin Yang applied for a team transfer, but it was not approved.

　　At this time, the AI wave triggered by ChatGPT has just swept from the other side of the ocean to China, and the domestic big model industry suddenly broke out. In addition to the traditional giants Baidu, Ali, Tencent, and ByteDance, many start-ups also began to enter the arena.used excavator used excavator

　　This stage was known as the "Hundred Model Battle" by the media at the time, but Jin Yang told the author that there were no more than 30 domestic companies that could truly independently train basic large models. "Among these 30 companies, less than 10 can truly complete the development of general large models

　　Investor Chang Bing told the author that by the end of 2022 and the beginning of 2023, there will be a diverse range of big model companies in the United States and China. However, after two years of survival of the fittest, resources are constantly gathering towards top players. Currently, only five companies in the United States are still developing generic models, including OpenAI, Anthropic, Meta, Google, and Musk's xAI; The four AI giants represented by SenseTime, Megvii, Yuncong, and Yitu Technology have withdrawn from the Chinese market, and have been replaced by six major model unicorn companies represented by Baichuan Intelligence, Zero One Thing, Zhipu AI, MiniMax, Moon's Dark Side, and Leap Starused excavator used excavator used excavator used excavator

　　Jinyang, a "bull" who failed to transfer his position internally, was soon watched by big model start-ups. Overnight, his mailbox was filled with many emails from hunters

　　Leaving or staying? Jinyang quickly made a decision, "The company is still continuously optimizing, and the future is unpredictable. The big model is the best opportunity in the next few yearsused excavator used excavator used excavator used excavator

　　There were also six people who left with him, which was the basic model for building teams for big model startups in the first half of last year. They took away the relevant development teams from large companies in an organized manner. "Big model development requires a very high level of technical background, and at least in the first half of last year, almost all of these talents were in large companiesused excavator used excavator used excavator

　　Although big model startups have already started campus recruitment, taking over mature employees from large companies is still an important recruitment method. "I still have a few job vacancies on hand, and the direction is still aimed at large companies, plug and play

　　However, Jinyang also admitted that the possibility of poaching people in large companies is gradually decreasing, and the big model teams of Alibaba, Baidu, Tencent, and ByteDance have all re signed non compete agreements at the end of 2022 and the first half of 2023.

　　Two consecutive jumps that ended abruptly

　　At the beginning of 2024, Ling Hui jumped from a big model startup company to one of the Big Model Six Little Tigers. "It turns out that the financing of that company was too difficult, and I feel like there may be problems," he saidused excavator used excavator used excavator

　　His career began in 2021, and after graduating with a master's degree, he successfully interned at a large company and eventually became a full-time employee with an annual salary of 400000 yuan. At that time, Ling Hui still considered himself a lucky person because the employment situation was poor, with major companies frequently laying off employees and reducing school recruitment quotas.used excavator used excavator used excavator

　　This sense of luck turned into regret after the wind of the big model blew, "I shouldn't have stopped pursuing my PhD because of anxiety about employment." Seeing his fellow junior brother receiving an annual salary of nearly 800000 yuan after completing his PhD, Ling Hui felt that he should also change his environment.

　　After communicating with several senior colleagues, Ling Hui keenly discovered that during the spring and autumn recruitment processes, large companies often adopt a "cutting edge" model for recruitment. "Only the top 5% of fresh graduates in related majors can get opportunities, and a master's degree is basically the minimum threshold." Ling Hui referred to this model as "selecting only the expensive ones and not the right onesused excavator used excavator

　　The halo of big companies and high salaries have indeed put them in a leading position in the battle for talent in the field of big models, such as Baidu's "AIDU Plan", Tencent's "AI Big Model Recruitment Channel" in its Qingyun Plan, ByteDance's Doubao Big Model Team's "Top Seed" sub plan, and even the up and coming Meituan has launched the "Beidou Plan".used excavator used excavator used excavator

　　But for job seekers like Ling Hui who have some technical experience but are not top talents, start-up companies represented by Liu Xiaohu may be more suitable. "Startup companies value professional relevance more and preferably have work experience

　　The experience of a fellow senior brother was Ling Hui's desired goal. In 2011, this senior brother went through three group buying websites in one year and was eventually recruited into Alibaba. His annual salary increased by more than four times, and he is currently the M4 (director) of a department in Alibaba.

　　However, in Chang Bing's view, the big model industry is different from almost all Internet industries in China's history. "Chinese Internet companies like to burn money to recruit people, because the strongest demand in the industry is people, and more employees will lead to more output; while the core of the big model industry is the investment of a small number of top talents and basic computing power, and there is little difference between more people and less people."used excavator

　　According to data related to Maimai, the most popular talents in the big model industry between 2023 and 2024 are still low-level technical talents such as NLP algorithm engineering and deep learning, while the salary of middle and low-level algorithm engineers will hardly change when they switch jobs.

　　The report shows that only half of the practitioners who engage in large-scale model related work have achieved salary increases, with only 16% experiencing an increase of over 50%.used excavator used excavator used excavator used excavator

　　It is worth noting that in mid October this year, the ByteDance big model training was "poisoned" by interns, which made the industry more cautious in selecting employees.used excavator used excavator used excavator

　　According to the author's understanding, the incident occurred in a commercial team, where intern Tian was dissatisfied with the allocation of team resources and used HF vulnerabilities to inject destructive code through shared models, resulting in damage to the team's model training results.

　　At the end of November, ByteDance sued the intern, claiming 8 million infringement losses plus 20000 yuan of reasonable expenses.

　　After experiencing this incident, the personnel in charge of recruitment at a large company told the author that they are now very cautious about recruiting for large models. Although there are many positions available, if they cannot meet the requirements, they would rather be left vacant

　　Ling Hui ultimately chose to leave this industry. As he is still looking for a job, he has only one evaluation of Big Model: 'It's not a good opportunity at the moment.'“

　　Small innovation in big factories, big innovation in small factoriesused excavator used excavator used excavator

　　Like Jinyang and Linghui, Xia Ming also came from an Internet company. In the first half of 2023, he and his superiors joined one of the six small tigers of the big model. "The promotion channel of xx (the original company) has basically closed, and the big model is a rare opportunity for Chinese Internet companies."

　　Not long after joining the new company, Xia Ming felt lost. "The salary has indeed been improved, but it's really exhausting. I work overtime until 10 o'clock or even later almost every day. At the end of last year, the company started small and large weeks, and no one had any objectionsused excavator used excavator used excavator

　　In a conversation between the author and a recruitment officer from a certain Six Little Tigers company, the officer explained that despite the company's good financing situation and current business revenue, the recruitment process is still "not smooth". "During the interview process, many job seekers still have doubts about the future of the big model; at the same time, some employees also leave because they feel too tired from work and do not see hopeused excavator used excavator used excavator

　　In the end, Xia Ming returned to the big company where he used to work and took over the position left by his former leader when he left. "He was stable, familiar, and spent most of his time dealing with internal communication, which actually gave him more freedomused excavator used excavator

　　It is not uncommon for Xia Ming to make the same choice. In the second half of this year, Qin Yujia, the founder of Xuzhi Technology, and Huang Wenhao, the pre training director of OneThing model, joined ByteDance successively, while Li Xiangang, the co-founder of OneThing, was exposed to have returned to the original company shell.used excavator used excavator

　　And overseas, some personnel from big model startups are also returning to large factories. At the end of November this year, Yi Tay, an important participant in Google's big model, announced his return to Google after leaving to start his own business for a year and a half.

　　It is worth noting that Google had previously taken away the AI unicorn Character with a super high valuation of $2.5 billion The core technology team of AI includes two star founders, Noam Shazeer and Daniel De Freitas.used excavator used excavator

　　It is worth noting that after entering 2024, the attitude of domestic Internet giants towards big models has become less radical. Chang Bing told the author, 'Nowadays, large companies are relatively restrained and more inclined to use investment for resource exchange to ensure that they do not fall behind. The motivation to invest a large amount of resources themselves is insufficient.'.used excavator used excavator

　　For example, the core content of a large company's recently opened big model is to search for its exclusive resources, and the essence of this matter is openness rather than big modelsused excavator used excavator

　　The consensus in the big model circle is that big companies should innovate small, and small factories should innovate big, "Chang Bing said to the author.

　　According to incomplete statistics from the author, Alibaba has invested in five other domestic models besides Face Wall Intelligence, while Tencent has invested in Baichuan Intelligence, MiniMax, Zhipu AI, and Moon Dark Face. Meituan is also included in the investment list of the latter two.

　　With the resignation of many senior executives of Tencent and Ali, only ByteDance still has a radical attitude towards the big model. Pulse data shows that since 2021, ByteDance has ranked the fourth consecutive year in the number of newly released AI posts, with the highest recruitment index for large model talents among many large factories.

　　Since the beginning of this year, advertising for ByteDance has become ubiquitous on platforms such as Xiaohongshu, Bilibili, and even Baidu. Xia Ming told the author that the daily activity of ByteDance should have reached the "tens of millions level". "This advertising volume is not only comparable to that of the Big Model Six Little Tigers, but also unmatched by any other major company

　　The defenders are still numerous

　　In addition to returning to big companies, the big model industry is still losing talent.

　　In July this year, Yang Hongxia, the elder of Ali's big model and the founder of Tongyi Qianwen, resigned from ByteDance and joined Hong Kong Polytechnic University as a professor of the Department of Computer Science;

　　In the second half of the year, several overseas product managers from the dark side of the moon resigned to start their own businesses, and at the beginning of the year, they also lost the crown of product manager for large models;

　　Zhang Qianchuan, the product manager of MiniMax "Xingye", has recently retired from frontline management affairs and been appointed as a product consultant; In late November, Liu Wei, an outstanding scientist at Tencent and one of the technical leaders of hybrid big models, officially resigned from Tencent.

　　But more people are still sticking to it. He Fang resigned from a large company in mid-2017 and has been active in the artificial intelligence industry ever since. After joining two of the AI Four Little Dragons, he jumped from a social platform to one of the Big Model Six Little Tigers in early 2023 and has been working there ever since.

　　"I've never been so busy," said He Fang, who worked overtime almost every day after 10 o'clock in the recent month

　　Pulse data shows that over 65% of practitioners in large models work more than 50 hours per week, and nearly one-third of practitioners even work more than 60 hours per week.

　　The biggest problem is that ChatGPT 5.0 has not been released yet, so everyone doesn't know where to go in the next stage and can only continue to deepen on the existing basis. He Fang's viewpoint has been recognized by Chang Bing. "There are already big model startups entering their own industries, but currently, big model startups still focus on training universal big models

　　The good news is that although the Big Model Six Xiaohu has reduced some of its employees in the past year, almost all of them are concentrated in the operations department, and there has been almost no personnel turnover in technology research and development. He Fang told the author, "The most expensive aspect of big models is not labor costs, but training costs and computing power investment. Because no one has yet mastered the model, each company is still limited to a few hundred people. If in the future, domestic big model companies can have a relatively mature commercial or user model, and may even continue to conduct large-scale recruitment

　　Adherents are more concerned about the future of the industry, and their R&D team often discusses three questions together during overtime breaks: "Can we sell it? Who can we sell it to? How can we sell it

　　There is no answer.used excavator used excavator used excavator used excavator

　　This kind of discussion scenario is relatively rare among AI startups before this. "Unlike the era of the Four Little Dragons of AI, big model startups start considering commercialization and international business very early on," Chang Bing told the author. "And job seekers in this industry are not only concerned about the development of big model technology and the company's financing situation, but also consider whether the company's big model business has a landing scenario

　　The middle of next year may be a watershed, and big models may be powerful products, but they may also become a universal technology like facial recognition, "said He Fang, who has experience in facial recognition, to the author.used excavator used excavator used excavator

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　　In the middle of this year, the big model industry suddenly erupted in a fierce price war.

　　used excavatorIn early May, DeepSeek, an AI company under the private equity giant Fantasia Quantum, announced the open source of the second-generation MoE big model DeepSeek-V2, with millions of tons

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